Should've gone shurelya's vs nidalee elise asol cait ashe

512	Should've gone shurelya's vs nidalee elise asol cait ashe by The Tank Man on Sivir 1676653290418

I was pretty sure if you don't lose like all your hp against ashe support lvl 1 you outscale really hard, but I had a game where the hail of blades lvl 1 did nothing but I still lost. Mostly I think off of getting picked and not getting any good grouped fights. Ofc it galls me to recognize where their players were good at their champs and I really want to harp on the failings of my teammates but oh well.

So specifically vs ashe, I want to say I was right she wins lane or falls off, but I was thinking of her as a poke champ the whole game which is wrong, after 6 she switches to finding picks with arrow. Since she's about finding picks and not poke or teamfighting, shurelyas > moonstone.

Asol also is kind of annoying to play against as a support; he runs you down and is a bit like qiyana in that he has both cc and dmg in his combo. But his cc isn't instant (once this game I just didn't flash his ordinary small ult - need to get used to that ability, and in another game I walked into his e, need to get used to that one too) and I think his abilities would be a lot easier to avoid with shurelya's.

I felt like we should've won fights easily - that if we had at some point fought an honorable aram at some point our champs (aatrox vs nid, sylas vs elise, ezreal ahead of cait) would teamfight better - but we never got a good fight because we (I) got picked.

Ofc again I think my team sucks and I probably could've played better (for instance I died because I used q chord instead of w chord when ez got arrowed, his bad but also my bad). But bracketing that, the whole game is just people running around and dying rather than teamfighting, so shurelya's > moonstone.

I know schuhbart and maybe other players heavily prefer shureyla's currently. Both items are good honestly you can win with either. But maybe shurelya's is better and definitely in games like that where I lose to getting picked rather than 5v5s shurelya's would be better.

I will say having spammed shurelyas a bit now I've died in some teamfights where I just keep going forwards as the extended fights going on, and I think with shurelyas you have to be more careful to play slow/space properly/care cc as the fight goes on. Ofc maybe I'm just inting and blaming it on items. But with moonstone compared to shurelyas

1 - goes forwards more slowly

2 - has more hp

So it is easier to run in and die with shurelyas. Ofc moonstone only heals other ppl but you get like 36% more w self heal/shield so it is more hp for you.

Ofc it's true in general for all supports and items that when a fight happens and you want to get to it or as it goes on and you want to go forwards and continue it, that's when you might get cced and die, so you have to pay attention to all their hooks or engages or whatever. But it seems especially important with shurelyas because you can run in faster than with moonstone but don't have as much hp.

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